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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:52 am
by AngryTaco
my2000apb wrote:so by changing your spring perches you can fit t44 5ktq springs>?


As 40v4k stated, I did the opposite. If I used 5k springs, I would have to fab them up into the 4k shock mounts, which isn't very viable.

This route using t44 struts / 4k springs helps retain the OEM look but allowing me to run the bigger G60 brakes, more HD shocks, and the 5-lug swap.

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:08 pm
by AngryTaco
Rear sway bar is done!!!

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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:05 pm
by scubadave
AngryTaco wrote:
evilandonehalf13 wrote:wow i am impressed this is looking terrific. great progress that car is going to scream. great color too.



Thanks man! The end is in sight! I can't wait to see how this thing runs and handles!




With CIS, rediculess speed. With EFI, ludicrous speed!

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:34 pm
by 40v4kq
Rear swaybar is probably the best suspension upgrade you can do on a 4kq. I cant beleive the factory didnt put one on there. Even a dinky one would have been a huge improvement.

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:38 pm
by AngryTaco
I was trying hard to find a rear sub frame from a 91+ 90 quattro so I wouldnt have to make my own mounts. Oh well, I just hope the 1/4" steel and my horrible welding skills hold together. Guess well find out after the first jump :D

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:51 pm
by 85oceanic
AngryTaco wrote:Rear sway bar is done!!!

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Looks familiar :P

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:33 pm
by my2000apb
40v4kq wrote:
my2000apb wrote:so by changing your spring perches you can fit t44 5ktq springs>?

He did just the opposite. Fitted 4kq spring perches to the 5ktq strut housing so the 4kq springs will fit them for a nice clean 5 lug swap. Same thing that derracuda has done a couple times and the same as extreme90path.

and axles go right together? 5k brakes? any 5k or tq only?

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:46 am
by AngryTaco
You need to use a set of rear 4kq axles up front now. The splines are different between the 5 lug hubs and the front 4k axles. Strangely, the rear 4kq axles are the same spline count as the 5-lug hubs, so they bolt right up. Rear left goes to front right and vice-versa. The G60 brakes bolt right up with no further modifications. Just throw the 5x112 rotor on there and away you go. As far as brakes, any non-UFO brakes which basically leaves the G60's I believe. Not sure if you can go with a bigger caliper/rotor without other modifications or special combinations. Extreme90path has Porsche Boxster Brakes on his. Originally thought about going that route, but theres quite a bit involved and some $$$

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:58 am
by AngryTaco
5-lug swap list:

2 Front 5kq Struts
2 MKII GTI Tie-Rod Ends
1 set of rear 4kq axles
2 4k spring perches
2 4k springs; I used some CQ springs because they are stiffer and raise the car a little
2 URq Shocks; I used T44 and I modified my 4k spring mounts to make the T44 shocks work
Matching Brakes/Rotors; I used G60s
18mm URq Balljoints

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:08 am
by AngryTaco
Since it is raining today....I think I am going to swap 5th gear this weekend....How To Video to follow.....

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:16 pm
by AngryTaco
Front Sway bar is done
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All that's left is the aluminum sub-frame bushings
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Bent my tie-rod
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New Oil Pump Gasket
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New Front Main Seal
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Old Front Main Seal >:)
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:38 pm
by 40v4kq
Looking good so far. Thanks for making a recipe for the front five lug swap. About the frint brakes, I believe derracuda has B5 A4 brakes on his lifted 4kq with 5k struts. Thats means you should be able to ditch the really heavy G60s for something a little lighter. Not sure if he had to space anything, but I could ask him.

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:31 am
by AngryTaco
Yeah thatd be cool man! Are the A4 brakes bigger too?

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:11 am
by 40v4kq
Not sure if they are bigger, but they are definately lighter and somewhat easier to find/newer so they may be in better shape than used g60s.

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:21 pm
by AngryTaco
Ordered the Valves, Windage Tray, Pan gaskets, and 2 Aluminum sub-frame bushing kits today :D

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:25 am
by my2000apb
you bent your own tie rod?!?!?

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:56 am
by AngryTaco
Yep, simple as putting it in a cheapo harbor freight press and well....pressing it :)

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:09 am
by my2000apb
sketchy

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:12 am
by AngryTaco
Lot's of people do it. Others do it with a piece of pipe and a vice but that way tends to be less controlled. I'd rather bend my own then pay $200

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:14 am
by Rogviler
my2000apb wrote:sketchy


Nah... How do you think 034/2Bennett make them? The horror stories come from when you heat it to bend it, especially those who mistakenly "let it cool nice and slow." THAT is a good way to anneal (soften) the metal.

I've never seen a cold bent one fail. That's doing it right.

-Rog

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:43 am
by AngryTaco
Rogviler wrote:
my2000apb wrote:sketchy


Nah... How do you think 034/2Bennett make them? The horror stories come from when you heat it to bend it, especially those who mistakenly "let it cool nice and slow." THAT is a good way to anneal (soften) the metal.

I've never seen a cold bent one fail. That's doing it right.

-Rog



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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:21 am
by AngryTaco
YAY!!!! Sub-frame bushings, windage tray, and pan gaskets arrived today! Now I can get the bottem end back together while the head is in the shop getting new exhaust valves!

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:27 am
by AngryTaco
Head is currently in the shop. Intake valves are getting a grind and all seats are getting cut as well. Motor should be alllllll back together next week!

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:21 pm
by DE80q
looking good. I wish my motor was this far along. I just ordered my valves, springs, retainers, guides and ARP head studs. When all the head parts finaly show up, off it goes to the machine shop YAY.

Keep plugging away, and you will be done before you know it!

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:30 am
by AngryTaco
Yeah this project is starting to drain me thats for sure. Probably due that I'm moving as fast as I can to get it out of the shop. Should be all done about middle of July now