The Project Pad

Posted: **Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:17 pm**

I'm a little bit jumpy even trying to use something that was on the cursed lago coupe or even in the same garage. :wink: I figure it will start it up just enough to get it out away from the garage and tools and then burn up.

Posted: **Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:41 pm**

quattro87 wrote:

The setback came this morning when I went to install them and found that neither one would work with the 20vt or the vacuum assist brakes. :( :curses:

You need the Coupe GT lines and resevoir to go with he lack of hyd booster.
If you need some I'll be at the parts Coupe and take them off... they won't be as pretty as you can find on the west coast, but I have it all.

Cheers

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:24 am**

I'm so jealous! :drool:

Your making it hard to stay mad at my car.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:35 am**

I bet Renee can barely contain her joy.

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:05 am**

Looking awesome, John. Keep up the detailed posts so I know what I'm supposed to do. I've almost got mine in full lightweight mode.

And, here's my take on this 'ownership' ordeal...we all know the looks and responses that come with working on 'your' car for hours, days, and years on end, and it is always much more acceptable to working on 'their' car, so in order to work on 'a' car, we've got to do what we've got to do--give 'them' a car that 'we' want to work on. If it makes you feel better to call it 'her' car, than so be it. I mean c'mon, how much easier has it been to justify working on 'her' car??? That's got to have something to do with the disparity of progress between his and hers...

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:01 pm**

Looks great John!!!!

Man there's some crazy urq/4000 projects going on at the moment.

I'm loving every minute of this build...............bloody brilliant.

keep the pics a coming.
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Cheers,

Craig

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:02 pm**

These projects almost make me want to start with a clean slate so I can really control the direction of the build ;o]

I think "he" is going to build "Her" car so well that I may get my old one back

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:29 pm**

Audilard wrote:Which one is mine then?

Repeat after me:
"I have a running, driving car that I like and doesn't make me sound like I need happy pills."

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:54 pm**

cuatrokoop wrote:
Audilard wrote:Which one is mine then?

Repeat after me:
"I have a running, driving car that I like and doesn't make me sound like I need happy pills."

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:58 pm**

John and Ken-
Why the need to add a nipple on the 7A valve cover for the PCV system? Curious b/c I have a 7A VC and did not add anything...?

Just curious....

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:01 pm**

cuatrokoop wrote:
Audilard wrote:Which one is mine then?

Repeat after me:
"I have a running, driving car that I like and doesn't make me sound like I need happy pills."

I have a running, driving car that I love!!! And a 2.6L stroker with a billet 30R sitting on Hank's header that could possible be fully spooled at 25 psi and 3300 rpms.......MMMmmmmmm!!!

Posted: **Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:30 pm**

Looks really really nice John! If the bushings are too tight still, I used a spare stainess sleeve to make a ream to loosen up the control arm bushings. Most of these stamped arms are not perfectly round so they pinch the bushings a bit.

Posted: **Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:31 am**

84urq20v wrote:John and Ken-
Why the need to add a nipple on the 7A valve cover for the PCV system? Curious b/c I have a 7A VC and did not add anything...?

Just curious....

just because the AAN has it, always better to pull vapor from where hot gas likes to go, which is up.

Posted: **Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:26 am**

Good progress, John. MC to vac booster seal...I don't know what the UrQ MC looks like, but the CQ/UrS MCs use square profile O-ring, nothing special.

With that prop valve handle pointing down, does it interfere with the tie rod if handle is in different position and/or tie rods are moving up/down/fore/aft? Probably ok, but pics angle makes it look so...

Posted: **Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:26 pm**

Mentosman42 wrote:
84urq20v wrote:John and Ken-
Why the need to add a nipple on the 7A valve cover for the PCV system? Curious b/c I have a 7A VC and did not add anything...?

Just curious....

just because the AAN has it, always better to pull vapor from where hot gas likes to go, which is up.

Hmmm. I don't think the AAN has a PCV connection pulling gases from the VC (but I could be wrong). Here's a link to another thread with AAN VC pic -
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42230&view=unread#unread
and I think the two nipples just connect an interior pass-thru pipe - whereas the 3B has that black pipe above the EM. A pic of the underside of the VC would help. Not that its a big deal....

Posted: **Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:29 pm**

Don't forget the firewall brace, John. Last I knew 034 had bought the rights/design from Jeff Lewis. Or something like that. It bolts up to the MC and rack. Highly highly recommend it anybody with an urq, 4kq, CGT.....

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:38 am**

84urq20v wrote:
Mentosman42 wrote:
84urq20v wrote:John and Ken-
Why the need to add a nipple on the 7A valve cover for the PCV system? Curious b/c I have a 7A VC and did not add anything...?

Just curious....

just because the AAN has it, always better to pull vapor from where hot gas likes to go, which is up.

Hmmm. I don't think the AAN has a PCV connection pulling gases from the VC (but I could be wrong). Here's a link to another thread with AAN VC pic -
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42230&view=unread#unread
and I think the two nipples just connect an interior pass-thru pipe - whereas the 3B has that black pipe above the EM. A pic of the underside of the VC would help. Not that its a big deal....

The AAN has the pass-thru tube and the two associated nipples, but there is also a small third elbow nipple on the back that vents the valve cover.

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:24 am**

This raises the question, of the 3 20v valve cover options, which one makes for the best / cleanest venting?

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:54 am**

cbrydon wrote:
84urq20v wrote:
Mentosman42 wrote:[quote="84urq20v"]John and Ken-
Why the need to add a nipple on the 7A valve cover for the PCV system? Curious b/c I have a 7A VC and did not add anything...?

Just curious....

just because the AAN has it, always better to pull vapor from where hot gas likes to go, which is up.

Hmmm. I don't think the AAN has a PCV connection pulling gases from the VC (but I could be wrong). Here's a link to another thread with AAN VC pic -
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42230&view=unread#unread
and I think the two nipples just connect an interior pass-thru pipe - whereas the 3B has that black pipe above the EM. A pic of the underside of the VC would help. Not that its a big deal....

The AAN has the pass-thru tube and the two associated nipples, but there is also a small third elbow nipple on the back that vents the valve cover.[/quote]

learn something everyday.....

Posted: **Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:28 am**

quattro v1.0 wrote:[/quote]

This raises the question, of the 3 20v valve cover options, which one makes for the best / cleanest venting?[/quote]

i would think AAN is easiest for the PCV vent but it doesnt clear the 3b intake manifold(or so ive been told?) im using a 7a valve cover to clear the 3b intake and im also going with the ls2 coil kit(remote mount coils) so i dont need the coil trays.

either way i figured what im going to do and that is drill the distributor plug thread it and use some stainless brake line to make a breather tube that extends up as far as i can get it without interfering with the valve cover. also going to make some sort of shield to stop as much oil as i can. going to be much easier than trying to mess with attaching stuff to the valve cover.

Re: Her Mars Red 83 Urq ...Engine in the bay!!

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:35 am

by nsimps

quattro v1.0 wrote:[/quote]

This raises the question, of the 3 20v valve cover options, which one makes for the best / cleanest venting?[/quote]
Hank's :wink:

Re: Her Mars Red 83 Urq ...Engine in the bay!!

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:46 pm

by quattro87

I've been out of town for the past few days and some of those days have been at a cabin in the mountains of Utah where I didn't have cell or internet access. The other few days was spent up in Salt Lake doing family things and spending some time at the Lab with Hank. Thanks for all the comments and sorry for not responding.

The project did manage to move forward some however thanks to Hank and our time at the Lab.

Good progress, John. MC to vac booster seal...I don't know what the UrQ MC looks like, but the CQ/UrS MCs use square profile O-ring, nothing special.

With that prop valve handle pointing down, does it interfere with the tie rod if handle is in different position and/or tie rods are moving up/down/fore/aft? Probably ok, but pics angle makes it look so...

Peter, do you know where I can find the square profiled o-ring? The Prop valve handle will easily clear. I don't think that it is far enough down to be a problem, but it is quite a ways forward of the tie rod. I really think that on top of that, because the car needs to be biased towards the rear more, the handle will never be straight down. Thought I had a picture. Sorry.

Don't forget the firewall brace

I still need to buy one, but other things keep coming up. The goal is to have one before I add brake fluid and bleed.

Why the need to add a nipple on the 7A valve cover for the PCV system?

You may not HAVE to have one, but in my estimation these I5 motors were never vented very well and it doesn't take much reading to realize that there have been problems in this area. It just gets worse when it gets to a high strung boosted motor, because blow-by will be greater with the added boost and most likely higher rpms. I will probably run a vented cover, catch can, and return to intake system of some sorts.

Re: Her Mars Red 83 Urq ...Engine in the bay!!

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:53 pm

by Audilard

Why didn't you tell me you were in town AND at the Lab. I would have come down.

Re: Her Mars Red 83 Urq ...Engine in the bay!!

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:07 pm

by quattro87

Like I said before, the trip to the Lab was productive. I felt like I couldn't just keep waiting on the EFR Borg Warner turbo and still have a fighting chance of making the Vegas GTG. Because I have His Urq that will eventually be a more track oriented car, I made the decision to go with a Hank built tube manifold and downpipe and run the HTA billet wheel 3076 turbo that I had already purchased for the hotrod Urq. The only time it has seen is when I let Hank and Jim Green dyno it on Jim's car down at 034's place. Just enough time and heat to take the shine off of the Tial SS hotside housing. Once the decision was made, Hank and I put in some long hours in between family stuff to come up with something that would work.

Hank, thankyou for your time and effort this last few days.

Here is the tube header and the header being mocked up for a downpipe build.

Downpipe welded wiith charge pipe being fabbed.

Placement of 38mm tial wastegate. I went the 38mm for the low profile and because I don't plan on running a really big turbo that would have a hard time being controlled at low boost levels with the smaller wastegate. If need be, when the swap is made to the hotrod, there is still room for a 44mm wastegate and that build will have a forward facing custom intake manifold on the other side that will free up space the the bigger wastegate.

Re: Her Mars Red 83 Urq ...Engine in the bay!!

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:20 pm

by Mentosman42

header looks amazing hope to have one on my car in the future.

The Project Pad

Her Mars Red 83 Urq ...23psi of manual boost...vid

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