1.9 TDI into 90q: resurrection and for sale
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
why not do with Tim did and actually LOWER the subframe with extended bushings? If I remember right, Dave made him a set and might a few extras laying around. But then again, I dont know if you want aluminum bushings
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Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
Use a 1.8t sump and pick up. Also use the oil filter housing from it aswell
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
Foscora wrote:Hi !
Nice project here !
Worked a bit on AHU engine (for Vanagon T3 swap).
"Low range" gearbox will not be a pain as the engine will be a bit "short" on a 90Q.
Why not considering modding the engine for a TDI-M spec ?
With injection pump from 1.9TD, turbo from 1.6TD and slighty bigger injectors (can't recall the engine it's from, 110hp TDI maybe), that's 120whp+ easily gained, which is much more confortable I guess
In case you're interested, I could find the full setup
I had originally planned on doing the MTDI. I decided to keep it eTDI because I have all of the electronics to do it and I kind of like the process of wiring a swapped engine .its a fun challenge. Also the eTDI runs and starts so nice and smooth, and I think it is a step backwards to go back to a manual pump. I think its all a matter of personal preference, people argue eTDI vs mTDI all day long.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
quattro wrote:Use a 1.8t sump and pick up. Also use the oil filter housing from it aswell
yes, this is the solution I have found. Use any pan and pickup from a longitudinal vw/audi 4 cylinder with the AEB cooler/filter mount. Excellent. This is why i wanted to get the engine in the bay and start finding these little details.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
If you need B5 1.8t parts let me know, the yard here is full of them and stuff is usually pretty cheap. And I've got a jacket with big pockets 

-Shawn C.
2001 S4 6spd Avant blk/blk - stock daily
2002 01E B6 A4 Built FYF, Built 1.8T, HX35 ~330whp
1989 MC-1 200 Avant- MS1 -Gone but will never forget her lessons
1987 5ktq Sedan - Best $500 beater ever
2001 S4 6spd Avant blk/blk - stock daily
2002 01E B6 A4 Built FYF, Built 1.8T, HX35 ~330whp
1989 MC-1 200 Avant- MS1 -Gone but will never forget her lessons
1987 5ktq Sedan - Best $500 beater ever
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
vt10vt wrote:If you need B5 1.8t parts let me know, the yard here is full of them and stuff is usually pretty cheap. And I've got a jacket with big pockets
Yes..yes he does. Kind of funny the things I have seen pulled out of those pockets

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1991 Audi 80 quattro (20vt project)
1991 Audi Coupe Quattro (project: my first 20v)
2007 Mitsubishi Raider(Dakota in disguise)
2019 Chevy Cruze RS hatch (wife's little red sporty car)
Dallastown, PA
1991 Audi 80 quattro (20vt project)
1991 Audi Coupe Quattro (project: my first 20v)
2007 Mitsubishi Raider(Dakota in disguise)
2019 Chevy Cruze RS hatch (wife's little red sporty car)
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
sort of like my tool box that perfectly fits 7a heads. The trick is carrying it in and pretending it actually weights 80 lbs when it only weighs 10.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
dana wrote:I had originally planned on doing the MTDI. I decided to keep it eTDI because I have all of the electronics to do it and I kind of like the process of wiring a swapped engine .its a fun challenge. Also the eTDI runs and starts so nice and smooth, and I think it is a step backwards to go back to a manual pump. I think its all a matter of personal preference, people argue eTDI vs mTDI all day long.
Ok I see your point and I agree for the step backward, that was just curiosity
In a way I would rather see your project going eTDI in case your furthers plans are about enhancing it, because I've never seen the process behind !Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
i certainly do plan to at least have the ecu tuned and use larger injectors to get to the limit of the stock turbo. I also would like to have the ecu tuned to get rid of the MAF and EGR system
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
Put an HX40 on it!
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Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
quattro wrote:Use a 1.8t sump and pick up. Also use the oil filter housing from it aswell
....and the smartest man of the day award goes to this man. Don't know how I forgot that I think it's the exact same thing people do with 3A's to put them in foxes... Duh

Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
DE80q wrote:vt10vt wrote:If you need B5 1.8t parts let me know, the yard here is full of them and stuff is usually pretty cheap. And I've got a jacket with big pockets
Yes..yes he does. Kind of funny the things I have seen pulled out of those pockets
Dana is the king of 7A junkyard heads, I can't lay claim to being the best. I'm at a disadvantage because they search your tool boxes/bags most of the time here and they're pretty good at finding things, ask me how I know
Winter is the best junkyard time for me. Gotta layer up when its cold out.
-Shawn C.
2001 S4 6spd Avant blk/blk - stock daily
2002 01E B6 A4 Built FYF, Built 1.8T, HX35 ~330whp
1989 MC-1 200 Avant- MS1 -Gone but will never forget her lessons
1987 5ktq Sedan - Best $500 beater ever
2001 S4 6spd Avant blk/blk - stock daily
2002 01E B6 A4 Built FYF, Built 1.8T, HX35 ~330whp
1989 MC-1 200 Avant- MS1 -Gone but will never forget her lessons
1987 5ktq Sedan - Best $500 beater ever
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
ahh yes, when i lived 5 minutes from the junkyard and could sense when a fresh 20v 90 was delivered. Yoink! two heads per trip, and pay for one. Perfect.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
I want this setup in my 4kq so hard...
90 Coupe Quattro - 3b + 01e
87 4000 - future trail rig
00 a6 2.7t 6speed - winter beater
87 4000 - future trail rig
00 a6 2.7t 6speed - winter beater
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
smokey sideways action with 40+mpg. Can not wait.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
trial fit #2. AEB oil pan, filter mount and starter allowed it the engine and trans to actually bolt together for the first time!

AEB starter

I am planning on making a mount that replaces this one and grabs the factory audi rubber chassis side mount

AEB oil filter mount is key


AEB oil pan

exciting bonus, a little tweaking of the audi power steering pressure line and it fits the TDI pump!!

had to twist this coil a bit to get the PS line to fit.

actually bolted in this time.


AEB starter

I am planning on making a mount that replaces this one and grabs the factory audi rubber chassis side mount

AEB oil filter mount is key


AEB oil pan

exciting bonus, a little tweaking of the audi power steering pressure line and it fits the TDI pump!!

had to twist this coil a bit to get the PS line to fit.

actually bolted in this time.

current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
The aeb starter might not have enough juice. I tried using an AAN starter on my alh swap and it could barely turn over the engine. So I used a starter from a passat TDI. I think. I dunno it's in my thread in my sig
Matt
18 Silverado 1500 work pig, roof rack and tonneau cover
11 Jetta sedan TDI DSG, rear muffler delete
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES

18 Silverado 1500 work pig, roof rack and tonneau cover
11 Jetta sedan TDI DSG, rear muffler delete
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES

Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
aeb starter was mostly for mockup, that one if from a flooded car, so it doesnt work anyway. I assume i will need to find a tdi starter as you say.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
busted some more out today. Going to the dominican for a week, so i wanted to make some more progress before i peaced out.
i had this crappy winch plate that i took off my 4runner that i cannibalized for the plate.

high tech bolt pattern matching


measuring for back spacers

mounts completed

drivers side mount

passenger side mount, going to add some gusseting to this one.

final driveline angle. seems good, but the oil cap hits the hood. Might need to find a way to lower that.

i had this crappy winch plate that i took off my 4runner that i cannibalized for the plate.

high tech bolt pattern matching


measuring for back spacers

mounts completed

drivers side mount

passenger side mount, going to add some gusseting to this one.

final driveline angle. seems good, but the oil cap hits the hood. Might need to find a way to lower that.

current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
I have a spare known good aeb starter if you wanna try it
24v-VR6T-CQ BEAST http://www.theprojectpad.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=193#p37887
16v-ABA-T VEMS O1E ETC 4Kq http://www.theprojectpad.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=201#p38264
16v-ABA-T VEMS O1E ETC 4Kq http://www.theprojectpad.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=201#p38264
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
not too much interesting to report. Spend some time traveling in the Dominican, and that was awesome. Now I'm back to deal with all the pain-in-the-assery that is the northeast in the winter. Why did I leave the place that was 88 degrees every day, beers were $1, food was $2 and women treat American gringos like rock stars?
Oh well, back to the fun. The motor is out for the final time to be cleaned up, resealed and then hopefully installed permanently.
I decided to actually drop some coin on a real clutch that will hopefully put up with any amount of torque I can realistically get out of the TDI. We all know that keeping this thing on the stock turbo will be hard for me. I ordered up a clutchnet stage 3, which should be able to handle 375ft/lbs but is still full faced and hopefully has good manners. I really don't like how puck clutches drive.
That little oil cap extension just twisted off and the cap can be installed flat on the valve cover. Easy enough fix!
Oh well, back to the fun. The motor is out for the final time to be cleaned up, resealed and then hopefully installed permanently.
I decided to actually drop some coin on a real clutch that will hopefully put up with any amount of torque I can realistically get out of the TDI. We all know that keeping this thing on the stock turbo will be hard for me. I ordered up a clutchnet stage 3, which should be able to handle 375ft/lbs but is still full faced and hopefully has good manners. I really don't like how puck clutches drive.
That little oil cap extension just twisted off and the cap can be installed flat on the valve cover. Easy enough fix!
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
dana wrote:not too much interesting to report. Spend some time traveling in the Dominican, and that was awesome. Now I'm back to deal with all the pain-in-the-assery that is the northeast in the winter. Why did I leave the place that was 88 degrees every day, beers were $1, food was $2 and women treat American gringos like rock stars?
Probably because you're so excited to drive my 5k back to VT from Carlisle. I understand, I'd be excited too.
-Shawn C.
2001 S4 6spd Avant blk/blk - stock daily
2002 01E B6 A4 Built FYF, Built 1.8T, HX35 ~330whp
1989 MC-1 200 Avant- MS1 -Gone but will never forget her lessons
1987 5ktq Sedan - Best $500 beater ever
2001 S4 6spd Avant blk/blk - stock daily
2002 01E B6 A4 Built FYF, Built 1.8T, HX35 ~330whp
1989 MC-1 200 Avant- MS1 -Gone but will never forget her lessons
1987 5ktq Sedan - Best $500 beater ever
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
that's got to be the reason.
Last edited by dana on Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
What with the large population of cougars you claim to have around your mountain I doubt that was a factor.
-Shawn C.
2001 S4 6spd Avant blk/blk - stock daily
2002 01E B6 A4 Built FYF, Built 1.8T, HX35 ~330whp
1989 MC-1 200 Avant- MS1 -Gone but will never forget her lessons
1987 5ktq Sedan - Best $500 beater ever
2001 S4 6spd Avant blk/blk - stock daily
2002 01E B6 A4 Built FYF, Built 1.8T, HX35 ~330whp
1989 MC-1 200 Avant- MS1 -Gone but will never forget her lessons
1987 5ktq Sedan - Best $500 beater ever
Re: Lowest HP swap ever: TDI into 90q
lol, cougars. Not much of a cougar hunter myself.
Last edited by dana on Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's