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Wilford Brimley wrote:

amd is the best wrote:My plan is to trap 140+ so you guys will eventually see a GTR killing 200

The red demon is running the same Super 94 turbo and trapping low 180's, so your goal isn't unrealistic by any means.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/drag-racin ... mance.html

Exactly my thoughts.

Also, if I'm remembering correctly the T44 has a .28 or .29 drag coefficient. Could be wrong. My car weighed 3,510 at the local track with half a tank of fuel ~10gal. Full weight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient

Good list htere. They have a type 43 as .30 so somewhere in that neighborhood is probably right. What was impressive is the .27 of the mk6 GTI/R. Who woulda thought.

amd is the best wrote:

Wilford Brimley wrote:

amd is the best wrote:My plan is to trap 140+ so you guys will eventually see a GTR killing 200

The red demon is running the same Super 94 turbo and trapping low 180's, so your goal isn't unrealistic by any means.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/drag-racin ... mance.html

Exactly my thoughts.

Also, if I'm remembering correctly the T44 has a .28 or .29 drag coefficient. Could be wrong. My car weighed 3,510 at the local track with half a tank of fuel ~10gal. Full weight.

The somewhat accurate half-assed track math states that 100lbs= 1/10th in et and 1mph in trap. The red sled weighs in at 2400lbs and makes north of 900whp. A friend makes 798whp/660wtq (measured on a 97 degree day) in his S/C 2001 Cobra and traps 144 @ 3850lbs.

750whp would put you close, if not there.

As for the coefficient, I believe just the Talladega car was .29 with the aero mods, and the production models were ~.33. I do believe the B3 90 was somewhere in the .29-.30 range.

amd is the best wrote:

Wilford Brimley wrote:

amd is the best wrote:My plan is to trap 140+ so you guys will eventually see a GTR killing 200

The red demon is running the same Super 94 turbo and trapping low 180's, so your goal isn't unrealistic by any means.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/drag-racin ... mance.html

Exactly my thoughts.

Also, if I'm remembering correctly the T44 has a .28 or .29 drag coefficient. Could be wrong. My car weighed 3,510 at the local track with half a tank of fuel ~10gal. Full weight.

I think I explained this back on the first page - The t44 200 20v is actually less aerodynamic than it's base model brothers mostly due in part to the chrome and other little do dads. My comment was to get yourself a roll of tape and turn all of that around instantly

amd is the best wrote:My plan is to trap 140+ so you guys will eventually see a GTR killing 200

If that happens I am gonna have to follow your set up ( if you dont mind). Funny considering your YouTube video is what got me motivated to start working on the FWD 200.

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Be prepared to spend 5k on a head And no, you will NEVER beat a GTR with a 20v

You guys are acting like the GTR is some ungodly fast car. In stock form, especially from a roll, they are fast but not THAT fast. Nick's car will be a GTR destroyer for sure. The 07k 4k and urQ will also be GTR eaters.

You guys definitely make me want to get the 200 done. Especially with the gumball rally passing by work today! It'll get done, just give us (me and the car) some time If only it would have been done and I had been driving it when the Marlin's pitcher DESTROYED my M5 in his ~680whp GTR!

loxxrider wrote:Be prepared to spend 5k on a head And no, you will NEVER beat a GTR with a 20v

You guys are acting like the GTR is some ungodly fast car. In stock form, especially from a roll, they are fast but not THAT fast. Nick's car will be a GTR destroyer for sure. The 07k 4k and urQ will also be GTR eaters.

You guys definitely make me want to get the 200 done. Especially with the gumball rally passing by work today! It'll get done, just give us (me and the car) some time If only it would have been done and I had been driving it when the Marlin's pitcher DESTROYED my M5 in his ~680whp GTR!

5k on a head or 8k, in parts, on a built 07K

For big power, the 07k is very hard to argue against that is for sure.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjLygNp-3AI[/youtube]

996TT with bigger turbos and e85 vs 07k URQ roll at 60mph. Basically GT2 996 spec on e85. This was at 25psi and around 580whp for both cars. I ate him at 60-130, but when the box was having to push through the air at 120mph rolls, it was a little closer.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZtUidmXjf4[/youtube]

loxxrider wrote:Be prepared to spend 5k on a head And no, you will NEVER beat a GTR with a 20v

You guys are acting like the GTR is some ungodly fast car. In stock form, especially from a roll, they are fast but not THAT fast. Nick's car will be a GTR destroyer for sure. The 07k 4k and urQ will also be GTR eaters.

You guys definitely make me want to get the 200 done. Especially with the gumball rally passing by work today! It'll get done, just give us (me and the car) some time If only it would have been done and I had been driving it when the Marlin's pitcher DESTROYED my M5 in his ~680whp GTR!

At this point, its not about the $$$ its about the look on the face of the GTR owner after his $80k car just got beat by a 20+ year old car. I wasnt planning on doing it with the 20v. I wanna rebuild the 1991 audi 200 20v i picked up. I would really like to join that club.

Mcstiff wrote:

loxxrider wrote:Be prepared to spend 5k on a head And no, you will NEVER beat a GTR with a 20v

You guys are acting like the GTR is some ungodly fast car. In stock form, especially from a roll, they are fast but not THAT fast. Nick's car will be a GTR destroyer for sure. The 07k 4k and urQ will also be GTR eaters.

You guys definitely make me want to get the 200 done. Especially with the gumball rally passing by work today! It'll get done, just give us (me and the car) some time If only it would have been done and I had been driving it when the Marlin's pitcher DESTROYED my M5 in his ~680whp GTR!

5k on a head or 8k, in parts, on a built 07K

What does a 07k go for? Cant be cheap, its audi

MHCAudi200t wrote:What does a 07k go for? Cant be cheap, its audi

The 07k engine is from a Jetta or Rabbit so they can be had cheap but you want a forged crank which is mainly in the earlier engines and harder to find. Once you get the stock 07K, you need to put some cash into it for >350whp

My estimates:

Top End Gaskets $195.00
Bottom End Gaskets $107.00
Main Bearings $198.00
Rods $685.00
Head Studs $170.00
Main Studs $145.00
WP $50.00
Injectors 2000cc $645.00
Balancing $200.00
Longblock $800.00
Pisons $740.00
Flywheel $349.00
Motor Mounts $495.00
Header W/ DP $1,675.00
Oil Pan $945.00
Valve Cover (CF) $200.00
Oil Adaptor $195.00
IMS Intake $900.00

Mcstiff wrote:

MHCAudi200t wrote:What does a 07k go for? Cant be cheap, its audi

The 07k engine is from a Jetta or Rabbit so they can be had cheap but you want a forged crank which is mainly in the earlier engines and harder to find. Once you get the stock 07K, you need to put some cash into it for >350whp

My estimates:

Top End Gaskets $195.00
Bottom End Gaskets $107.00
Main Bearings $198.00
Rods $685.00
Head Studs $170.00
Main Studs $145.00
WP $50.00
Injectors 2000cc $645.00
Balancing $200.00
Longblock $800.00
Pisons $740.00
Flywheel $349.00
Motor Mounts $495.00
Header W/ DP $1,675.00
Oil Pan $945.00
Valve Cover (CF) $200.00
Oil Adaptor $195.00
IMS Intake $900.00

Where'd the gasket figure come from? There's like ~3 gaskets in the whole motor I'm pretty sure.

MHCAudi200t wrote:At this point, its not about the $$$ its about the look on the face of the GTR owner after his $80k car just got beat by a 20+ year old car. I wasnt planning on doing it with the 20v. I wanna rebuild the 1991 audi 200 20v i picked up. I would really like to join that club.

My sentiments exactly.

It can be a slippery slope, though. Being methodical makes a difference.

Mcstiff wrote:

MHCAudi200t wrote:What does a 07k go for? Cant be cheap, its audi

My estimates:

Gaskets & Silicone $100.00
Main Bearings $198.00
Rods $685.00
Head Studs $170.00
Main Studs $145.00
WP $50.00
Injectors 1600cc $445.00
Longblock $800.00
Pisons $740.00
Flywheel $349.00
Motor Mounts $495.00
Header W/ DP $1,675.00
Oil Pan $945.00
Valve Cover (CF) $200.00
Oil Adaptor $195.00
IMS Intake $900.00

There is probably some more money to be pulled outta there, but keep in mind this is for the BIG power setup...

Also, this doesn't include the miscellaneous items required for the swap itself (tons of AN fittings and hoses etc)

Mcstiff wrote:

MHCAudi200t wrote:What does a 07k go for? Cant be cheap, its audi

The 07k engine is from a Jetta or Rabbit so they can be had cheap but you want a forged crank which is mainly in the earlier engines and harder to find. Once you get the stock 07K, you need to put some cash into it for >350whp

My estimates:

Top End Gaskets $195.00
Bottom End Gaskets $107.00
Main Bearings $198.00
Rods $685.00
Head Studs $170.00
Main Studs $145.00
WP $50.00
Injectors 2000cc $645.00
Balancing $200.00
Longblock $800.00
Pisons $740.00
Flywheel $349.00
Motor Mounts $495.00
Header W/ DP $1,675.00
Oil Pan $945.00
Valve Cover (CF) $200.00
Oil Adaptor $195.00
IMS Intake $900.00

whats the model year and engine code for the earlier engines?
Thank you!

Colin2750 wrote:Where'd the gasket figure come from? There's like ~3 gaskets in the whole motor I'm pretty sure.

Honestly, it looks like I just used the figures that I had saved for the urI5 build sheet. Looking at Autohaus AZ, it's likely an overestimation.

Quattro v1.0 wrote:There is probably some more money to be pulled outta there, but keep in mind this is for the BIG power setup...

Also, this doesn't include the miscellaneous items required for the swap itself (tons of AN fittings and hoses etc)

Yeah, I should clarify that I copied that from a comparison so some constants were omitted. No labor either.

varia wrote:whats the model year and engine code for the earlier engines?
Thank you!

This is the Jetta or Rabbit with a 2.5L starting in 2005 IIRC. See, viewtopic.php?f=15&t=244

Guys,

Yeah i figured it wasnt a plug and play kind of deal. Im guessing their has to me work made to the harness as well. Im gonna look for one, if i find a good deal i might just jump on it.

Is there a link to where i can get a more detailed list of whats needed to make this swap?

Talk to Hank Iroz

http://www.irozmotorsport.com/

Dude, Hank. That is freaking awesome that the URQ can hold off Silly's 911 because that thing is no slouch.

Mcstiff wrote:

Colin2750 wrote:Where'd the gasket figure come from? There's like ~3 gaskets in the whole motor I'm pretty sure.

Honestly, it looks like I just used the figures that I had saved for the urI5 build sheet. Looking at Autohaus AZ, it's likely an overestimation.

Quattro v1.0 wrote:There is probably some more money to be pulled outta there, but keep in mind this is for the BIG power setup...

Also, this doesn't include the miscellaneous items required for the swap itself (tons of AN fittings and hoses etc)

Yeah, I should clarify that I copied that from a comparison so some constants were omitted. No labor either.

varia wrote:whats the model year and engine code for the earlier engines?
Thank you!

This is the Jetta or Rabbit with a 2.5L starting in 2005 IIRC. See, viewtopic.php?f=15&t=244

thx. i know ive read it somewhere but not there. it was alex's post
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/9 ... styleid=13

and i was looking for this:
Engine year differences:
BGP/BGQ/BPR/BPS
These are the early motors found in MY 05-07 cars and are 148hp/166ft-lb. They have the early style timing chains which can have problems if you follow the VW prescribed 10k oil changes. If you treat them like a performance engine and change your oil at more frequent intervals you'll be fine. Forged cranks were randomly sprinkled into production with these engines and you can't tell without pulling off the pan. A forged crank has a much wider flash line than a cast crank. It might be possible to confirm cast or forged crank by the part number on the flywheel mating surface but this is only speculated. These engines have a 6 bolt attachment for flywheels.

CBT/CBU
These are the later motors found in MY 08+ and are 168hp/176ft-lb. These have an upgraded timing chain and use an 6-bolt flywheel attachment on the crank. No forged crankshafts are known to exist in these motors, however the forged crankshaft for the TT-RS drops right in. The TT-RS crankshaft can be bought new from VW/Audi for $1100-1300. The TT-RS also has an 8-bolt flywheel attachment.

Yeah its a very helpful thread. The engine codes make it easier to look for them

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This is one of my tentative goals with my 90 project, once again, mostly for the look on people's faces. That said, I'm completely gutting the car and going for 4-500 whp when the motor gets built.

My other goal is to do it for less than $5k, so far i'm fairly on track.

I think the big thing to look at is a used GT-R probably goes for what, $60k in good shape? What if you dump $60k into your Audi... I know some of the big horsepower guys have probably spent a bit more than that, but I think a lot of it is rebuilding and going bigger, where if you just aim high initially you could spend quite a bit less. Assuming you do the work yourself...

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