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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:20 am
by Justin517
I had an Elgin 288° 8v VW cam for a bit... it was very nice... lumpy as hell at idle but man did that little bugger scream up top.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:50 am
by AngryTaco
DE80q wrote:Hope you are charging your customer for the tool. You didnt need it before this job.
Yes and no. I figure I'll need it again at some point, but eh, more tools are a good thing. I'll have pictures tonight. Tearing head and bumper off tonight.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:49 pm
by AngryTaco
Justin517 wrote:I had an Elgin 288° 8v VW cam for a bit... it was very nice... lumpy as hell at idle but man did that little bugger scream up top.
I bet! How much overlap did that thing have?
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:07 pm
by AngryTaco
So upon inspecting the engine bay on Friday, I have dsicovered yet again the #5 exhaust runner studs missing and loose. The bottom stud was completely missing and the top stud was about to fall out. Guess its time for some GOOD loc-tite. Hell I even trued the exhaust manifold (machine shop did it). Anyone else have this problem? I'm wondering if it has to do with me not having a flexi-pipe on the exhaust
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:23 pm
by alxdgr8
Have you tried copper nuts?
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:57 pm
by PRA4WX
AngryTaco wrote:So upon inspecting the engine bay on Friday, I have dsicovered yet again the #5 exhaust runner studs missing and loose. The bottom stud was completely missing and the top stud was about to fall out. Guess its time for some GOOD loc-tite. Hell I even trued the exhaust manifold (machine shop did it). Anyone else have this problem? I'm wondering if it has to do with me not having a flexi-pipe on the exhaust
DEFINITELY get a flex in there. I've tried doing without, i don't any more. JM2C
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:12 pm
by AngryTaco
alxdgr8 wrote:Have you tried copper nuts?
yes. I have never ran the car without them before.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:13 pm
by AngryTaco
PRA4WX wrote:AngryTaco wrote:So upon inspecting the engine bay on Friday, I have dsicovered yet again the #5 exhaust runner studs missing and loose. The bottom stud was completely missing and the top stud was about to fall out. Guess its time for some GOOD loc-tite. Hell I even trued the exhaust manifold (machine shop did it). Anyone else have this problem? I'm wondering if it has to do with me not having a flexi-pipe on the exhaust
DEFINITELY get a flex in there. I've tried doing without, i don't any more. JM2C
Guess I'll have to budget for a flexi in my future. I'll do it when I have the 3" downpipe made at the local mandrel bender.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:36 pm
by ringbearer
Was the manifold flat? If they're not they sometimes like to come loose
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:10 pm
by AngryTaco
I had it trued by the machine shop last time I had it off.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:12 pm
by ringbearer
Oh well, worth a shot.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:36 pm
by AngryTaco
Yeah I know. I figured that was the root issue but apparently not. I've always been under the impression that heat will warp it once. Then, once trued, the issue would not resurface. Apparently not in this case. We'll see if a flexi fixes it.
Update: ugh......now the one exhaust stud still hanging on decided to snap. Guess I over-torqued the nut down. Lovely, now it sounds like a friggen diesel
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:38 pm
by 85oceanic
Dude, you have some bad luck with that beast! LOL
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:22 pm
by AngryTaco
yeah and on top of that...I put the new studs in and there is still a massive leak. I'm guessing I burned up the gasket. Guess its time to pull the head, do the guides, build the 3" down pipe, and basically fix all these stupid little issues
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:34 pm
by scubadave
There really is nothing you can do to stop it from doing that. Its just what they do due to the way it was designed. thats why they designed the 2 piece example which is kindof unobtainable. I pretty much had to tighten mine 1 to 2 times per year depending on use. You may have better luck by upgrading the studs, or the few on the end to a bigger size. Of course, that means drilling and tapping. I think its worth the effort, but I wouldnt try drilling them without a press. I just cant keep it straight by hand.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:45 pm
by AngryTaco
Yeah I know. I'm thinking of possibly just building a damn header out of mild steel for now. I'm gonna start tearing the car apart once I get this B6 out of the storage unit and my life!
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:42 pm
by ringbearer
Build a header, solve 2 problems at once!
But create a few more

Audis, never ending
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:06 am
by AngryTaco
ringbearer wrote:Build a header, solve 2 problems at once!
But create a few more

Audis, never ending
Yeah aint that the truth LOL. That's why I like my Dodge: add more power and you only encounter the same problem every time. That being less traction
Add a wideband? Yay that means time for proper tune! Oh wait I have less traction now! Throw on 19x13" viper wheels with 345 tread width? Oh how about NO traction with that!? Put on some nice cal-trac traction bars!? Heres some more no traction for you!
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - NEW CAMSHAFT!
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:11 pm
by AngryTaco
Well I give up. I played some more with the fuel system today trying to find the hot start issue and boost issue. I swapped out fuel injectors and nothing. Still same old crap.
They all had a good spray pattern when tested and where pretty dead on with the flow match test. As soon as I'm done with this B6 A4 this weekend, I'm going to tear the damn head off this car again, change the heater core rubber lines (might have a batch of silicon ones made up), build a 3" downpipe with a flexi, do the damn valve guides, etc etc. Tired of this bullcrap lol
The car seems to be getting slower and slower too. Maybe its the massive exhaust leak, but I'm gonna do a compression test this weekend.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - More VEMS Prep
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:24 pm
by 85oceanic
I know the answer to your problems man... 20vt.

Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - More VEMS Prep
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:38 am
by DE80q
85oceanic wrote:I know the answer to your problems man... 20vt.


Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - More VEMS Prep
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:30 pm
by AngryTaco
The answer is VEMS and a Bigger cam!
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - More VEMS Prep
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:26 am
by AudiSport4000
Damn, I am teh sad. CIS is stupid easy to get working right.
Hopefully EFI is easier for you to get working correctly

Looking forward to updates!
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - More VEMS Prep
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:32 am
by AngryTaco
stupid easy my ass. I have officially given up on this fuel system. I know part of it is the fact that I have THE CAM installed, but still, whats with the damn boost issues.
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: The Red Baron - More VEMS Prep
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:47 am
by AudiSport4000
Not sure. Did you ever check fault codes?

FWIW if I could get a 20vt 4kq running and daily driving, anyone could. CIS is stupid reliable and easy if you learn how it works. Doesnt take much at all to get the car running and driving. Aint much there in terms of components. BUT the good news is that you wont have to worry about it anymore! Woot
