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Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:46 pm
by TCombs
ringbearer wrote:Pull injector connectors off at idle while misfiring and find the bad cylinder then check the plug and replace the coil if needed. Hope you have upgraded ignition
Good idea. Will do. Just pull each one, one by one and when there is no change, there is that bad plug/coil, I am assuming. Ha luckily I do. I have LS2 coils with Magnecor wires. I actually have a second set in a box that I bought from a fellow on MG a few years ago when I bought my first S4.
Thanks for the info.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:59 am
by ringbearer
Sounds like you are ready to troubleshoot! I’d replace all the plugs if they are close to due but I live in coastal California so I have no idea what real winter is
Good luck
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:19 pm
by PRY4SNO
Also your coolant temp sensor (G52) could be on the way out, chased that one with a shotgun for a while.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:45 pm
by TCombs
PRY4SNO wrote:Also your coolant temp sensor (G52) could be on the way out, chased that one with a shotgun for a while.
Oh really? Does that cause the same issues?
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:56 pm
by PRY4SNO
Shaking at idle, misfire at steady load / stepping on it, reduced mileage, fluctuating tach.
I swapped out plugs, upgraded to the 2.5 coils and wiring (which were planned upgrades anyways) then found the G52 fixed the issue.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:38 pm
by TCombs
PRY4SNO wrote:Shaking at idle, misfire at steady load / stepping on it, reduced mileage, fluctuating tach.
I swapped out plugs, upgraded to the 2.5 coils and wiring (which were planned upgrades anyways) then found the G52 fixed the issue.
Good to know. Thanks for the info. I’ll find some plugs and swap them in and if it doesn’t fix it change that out. Might be worth changing out out regardless.
I know that this has been brought up a lot, but what plugs do you guys run. I ran the Bosch F5DP0R in my last S4, for the week or so I had it. Are they still having issues with them failing?
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:35 pm
by PRY4SNO
Those Bosch or NGK BKR6E at stock or mildly tuned levels, or a 7E (one step colder) for higher power.
Key is to make sure you get the plugs with the resistor.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:09 pm
by themagellan
I was a devout OEM plug lover, but have since changed to bkr7e like most folks here - super cheap and work well. It's always worth checking the gap.
- Check your boost hoses - especially the reference line to ecu
- Check your resistance on your crank/rpm sensors - make sure your wire routing is not interfering with the ignition wires
- Check the Idle Control Valve - I chased a hardstart/bad idle issue forever. A simple test for this is to unplug it while it's running - if everything seems to improve you can isolate this issue.
Like others suggested - just unplug the ignition from each cylinder. One important thing is to wear some insulated gloves if you haven't done that before or else it can be quite a wake up call.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:36 pm
by TCombs
Changed out the spark plugs on Saturday. Had the OEM Bosch plugs in. They didn’t look super bad but worth replacing. They NGK plugs are cheap. Drove around quite a bit on Saturday. Got the temps up and steady and the car ran like it should. Started it up Monday morning, it was about 15-19 degrees out. Ran fine for about four or five minutes and then start misfiring again. So now I am thinking it might be temp related. I googled Audi aan coolant sensor and SJMauto came up and I read up a bit about the sensor using different other sensors to get temp. New temp was ordered, should hopefully be here this week.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:57 pm
by PRY4SNO
Sounds a lot like the issues I was experiencing.
Here's hoping it is simply the G52 sensor.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:41 pm
by TCombs
PRY4SNO wrote:Sounds a lot like the issues I was experiencing.
Here's hoping it is simply the G52 sensor.
Ran fine yesterday morning and it was about 25-30 degrees. Started it up after work and it was stumbling again. Pulled it into the shop at work, changed out the sensor in a matter of a minute or so and the car ran fine. Only one night and one morning in so far but it hasn’t stumbled yet.
Thanks for the help. Would have taken me awhile to figure this one out. Now on to tackle some little things like interior lights (only the drivers footwell works), fix the fender, look at some options for the hood paint, possibly coolant leak from the upper hose and leaking washer fluid, and a few other items just to set the car up a little better.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:20 pm
by ringbearer
Hope that does it!
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:54 pm
by PRY4SNO
TCombs wrote:PRY4SNO wrote:Sounds a lot like the issues I was experiencing.
Here's hoping it is simply the G52 sensor.
Ran fine yesterday morning and it was about 25-30 degrees. Started it up after work and it was stumbling again. Pulled it into the shop at work, changed out the sensor in a matter of a minute or so and the car ran fine. Only one night and one morning in so far but it hasn’t stumbled yet.
Thanks for the help. Would have taken me awhile to figure this one out. Now on to tackle some little things like interior lights (only the drivers footwell works), fix the fender, look at some options for the hood paint, possibly coolant leak from the upper hose and leaking washer fluid, and a few other items just to set the car up a little better.
That's fantastic! Hope it holds up. Took me a while shotgunning parts I'd intended to do anyways but once I got over my dislike for the format on quattroworld I was able to dig up some good info.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:37 pm
by TCombs
Well it started again so I swapped the top plug and connector from coil three to coil five. Didn’t drive the car a old weekend and ran fine yesterday morning. Started it up after work and it was missing. Pulled the fuel injector plug for cylinder five, no change. Nice! At least I thought all I had to do was change out the coil. Pulled out my other set of coils and plugs only to find out that they are a different coils with a different mounting plate as well a different plug. So I am trying to find a coil like I have now or have to get a new kit with bracket. The wiring harness on the kit I have had for a few years looks bad. The wires seem in decent shape but the harness is just a bunch electrical tape and even some butt connectors if I remember correctly.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:45 pm
by TCombs
Did some digging around, and I believe I found the coils I need. They look very similar to a coil from a Mercury Optimax outboard motor..
Which are cheaper than the 034 HO coils. Wonder where they sourced them from.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:49 pm
by TCombs
Well 034 now longer sells them. They are discontinued so if anyone might have an idea of where or what the coils came off of please let me know.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:34 am
by PRY4SNO
What would hold you back from using OEM COP as opposed to the LS style coils? Aside from cost to adapt?
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:13 pm
by TCombs
PRY4SNO wrote:What would hold you back from using OEM COP as opposed to the LS style coils? Aside from cost to adapt?
Really just the cost to adapt. I have this current set, another set of LS2 so I was hoping not have to change out of possible. Maybe I will see if I can just get the wiring harness has I have spare Audi coils laying around. I had thought that LS2 were more reliable and communicated better with aftermarket ECU, which I plan on gettin eventually.
On that note can you use the red top coils from a 3.0L or do you have to use the 2.0 coils? Any difference between the 2.0 and the 2.5?
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:27 pm
by PRY4SNO
From my understanding any of the VAG COP will work. I've used a couple different variations with no ill effects.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:22 pm
by TCombs
PRY4SNO wrote:From my understanding any of the VAG COP will work. I've used a couple different variations with no ill effects.
It might have just been a sales tactic but even on 034’s website they say that the 2.0 coils aren’t a “performance upgrade” and they rec using the HO coils. But I thought I remember a ton of you guys running the 2.0 coils on higher end horse power UrS models?
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:42 pm
by speedydtp247
TCombs wrote:It might have just been a sales tactic but even on 034’s website they say that the 2.0 coils aren’t a “performance upgrade” and they rec using the HO coils. But I thought I remember a ton of you guys running the 2.0 coils on higher end horse power UrS models?
boom! done.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:55 pm
by PRY4SNO
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:25 pm
by TCombs
Are you serious? I just bought one from 034...And installed it today. I was in contact with them and was given a deal so I can't much send it back.. That sucks. If I would have waited two or three days.. Dang this sucks.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:19 am
by TCombs
The kit installed.
Re: TCombs UrS4, Possible misfire.
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:59 pm
by themagellan
Looks good - nice!