2.0L20v90Q...white wheels it is!!

Wizard-of-OD · Post by **Wizard-of-OD** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:56 pm

Chris is getting pretty bad ass these days with that welder.Did you see his fuel tank set up!?

Post by **HT Motorsport** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:09 pm

Cool,

Glad no offense taken, its been one of those weeks so I was a bit testy in my post.

I totally get the drag only cage thing if the car is purely drag race only Aaron, and yours is perfect for the job at hand. Just seems to my Mechanical Engineer mind that a road car with a drag cage is more of a liability than a safety feature. That is a seperate discussion though and I don't want to pollute your thread Zerb.

Keep wiht it and keep posting, I will keep adding my own stupid opinion :bashtard: feel free to tell me to shut up

FYI: The geometry in that last cage pic is all wrong

Unsupported bends in the main hoop (door bars should connect at the bends)= door bars connect too high, main hoop diagonal running the wrong way (should connect behind the drivers head as that is the most important part right)

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:23 am

i was back and forth with the safety/liability feature, but the car will be mainly driven at the drag strip, itll only see the street when its A, runnin properly, and B, nice enough out and i feel like driving it around.

as far as the cage geometry, its nowhere near finished, so dont you worry. its the exact kit that aaron has in his coupe, same company, same measurements, and his looks pretty....so im sure ill be just fine.

edit: that last pic is my friends car, and he made that cage himself at a local shop with a pipe bender.

aka.....

if its wrong, i cant see it from my house.

Post by **HT Motorsport** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:32 am

zerb wrote:i was back and forth with the safety/liability feature, but the car will be mainly driven at the drag strip, itll only see the street when its A, runnin properly, and B, nice enough out and i feel like driving it around.

as far as the cage geometry, its nowhere near finished, so dont you worry. its the exact kit that aaron has in his coupe, same company, same measurements, and his looks pretty....so im sure ill be just fine.

edit: that last pic is my friends car, and he made that cage himself at a local shop with a pipe bender.

aka.....

if its wrong, i cant see it from my house.

hahahahhhh Thats funny

Your buddies cage looks good, just the geometry could be better. I guess my point is really that if you are going to the effort of doing the cage, do a bit of digging into cage design as some small changes can make all the difference, and could get you a lot closer to having a multi function cage. Aarons cage is perfect for his drag race only use, but his cage wouldn't pass inspection for a track day vehicle. While you are building yours, if you think you might like to go and do some roundy round stuff as well as some drag stuff, then it would be worth making sure the cage complies to those regs too.

If it will never see any track other than drag then copy Aarons as his is perfect for that.

If you have questions about roundy roundy feel free to PM me.

H

speeding-g60 · Post by **speeding-g60** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:49 am

yeah, i see so many different designs, and stuff. i would like to incorporate some other cool looking stuff into mine, but it is wasted energy. i built it to do one thing only. pass NHRA. and hope it does

i would definitely be doing some different stuff if it were a multi-purpose race car. i'll just build a hill-climb car next year....

i wanted to do the rear bars to the strut towers, but was afraid of tech..... did not know if it would be legal for what i do. but i do like that style.... and the diagonal bar in the hoop instead of the two bars ("D") going to the floor. lateral support yeah, some.

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:05 am

i am building the thing with the purpose of going fast in a straight line and just being good fun to take on occasional spirited drives on the street/backroads.

and hopefully this weekend ill have the other a pillar bar in and the dash bar so then i can go ahead and put the dash in and start on that stuff in there.

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:16 pm

im sure aarons will hate these cause they are not proportional one side to the other, but the drivers a pillar bar i wanted out of my face, since ill be driving the car....the passenger bar, f-it....cause ill never be there, lol.

note the pile of schit atop the car.

speeding-g60 · Post by **speeding-g60** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:08 pm

nah, i dont mind that. its like we say in construction: good enough for the girls i go with, and ya cant see it from my house

see how much easier with the window out? i did the rabbit cage with the windshield IN

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:24 am

there would have been no way i could even imagine HOW you would go about doing it with the windshield in.

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:55 pm

well, got the dash bar in on the cage the other afternoon, which only means one thing.....its dashboard time.

so, the idea here is....to bond those brackets to the dash, then ill have a panel of ABS plastic to put in front of that, and ill have all my gauges there and such. the way i will attach the things to each other.....velcro, at least thats my plan cause thatll make for quick and easy removal, we'll see how it goes, if not...there are other options.

i tried to attach those brackets with some marine adhesive, which i thought would work....but it hasnt seem to come out as well as planned as of yet. so, does anyone have any recommendations on attaching those brackets to the dashboard? adhesive wise

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:19 pm

wee bitta velcro, let the adhesive set, and wa-la.

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:14 pm

got the seat brackets put together, not completely welded though, lol.

going to be bolting the seat to the brackets using some grade 8 hardware.

fasterthenrs2 · Post by **fasterthenrs2** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:26 pm

I do not know how tall you are but brackets look pretty high, I mounted my seats almost on a floor and still getting worried will helmet fit with out touching headliner

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:25 pm

well im about 6'2" and i thought there would be enough room when i made the bracket earlier, but once you mentioned the helmet thing, i got nervous.....and actually went downstairs to double check, and it all fits. there is enough room to fit my hand between the helmet and the roof, but not much more then that.

and the seat on the floor. i feel like you would look like a 2 year old trying to steer a car with the wheel being that high up like it is.

fasterthenrs2 · Post by **fasterthenrs2** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:32 pm

Heh I missed one of our picks you do not have headliner anymore, I still do, I guess that was mine problem, because im 6,2 to. :wink:

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:37 pm

am i just nuts or does the steering wheel seem high up to you as well?

i come from a mk4 gti, so its adjustable, lol.

speeding-g60 · Post by **speeding-g60** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:39 pm

well, all i gotta say is that if your helmet will be above the bar, it will not certify (different than "tech inspect") nor be safe. have a midget sit in the chair if you want to go to that level hahaha. or just do not sit in it when you get tech'd and hope they do not make issue of it.

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:33 pm

helmet above which bar? the halo? or the main hoop?

on second inspection here. when i went to check earlier with my helmet on, i was kinda sitting way way upright....aka....no anywhere near normal sitting position. on second check, there is much more room then i thought between my head and the roof, still not crazy amounts of room below the bars, but a wee bit.

speeding-g60 · Post by **speeding-g60** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:03 pm

either.... remember the rulebook i emailed you....

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:06 am

lol, ya...i gots that.

i think ill be fine. like i said, when i initially checked it i was sitting straight up like a board, as in i was in a position that i would never literally sit in and drive the car

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:23 pm

got the block back from the machine shop and decided to put it in the car while i wait on getting the crank back from them, and the head ill be using. spare head i had laying around went in the car so now i can make my rad support, intercooler mounts, get all my fuel lines ran, fuel rail, yada yada yada. then pull it all apart, paint the bay and put it all together. (hopefully, lol)

t3t67 .82a/r dbb chra :-)

tsin · Post by **tsin** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:42 pm

really nice man

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:55 am

so i didnt really like the pot metal mount that i got in the beginning of the project all that much, so i decided to make my own for the passenger side, and i will be doing the same for the drivers side as well. i wanted to incorporate the delrin mount thats already there, cause i do want to have an ever so slight amount of comfort when this thing is driven on the street.

satin black powdercoat. :-)

Wizard-of-OD · Post by **Wizard-of-OD** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:16 am

Wait Jonny
Are all the engine mount tabs in the same plane?

Zerb · Post by **Zerb** » Thu May 21, 2009 8:02 am

they were for the passenger side yes. the drivers side plate that i made as well i needed to bend a bit cause the mounting points are on different planes. in fact on the drivers side the bottom two point are on the same plane, and the two upper ones are both on different planes relative to each other, so that plate needed to be bent from the top to the bottom, and then i put a bushing between the plate and the blcok to take up the space for the other mounting hole.

ill post pics once that other mount is done.