1.9 TDI into 90q: resurrection and for sale

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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It's going to be so nice.

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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scubagli wrote:It's going to be so nice.


I sure hope so! I've pretty much gone full retard on it.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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well then...i just ordered a brand new holset for this car.....oops.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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:O which one?
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11 Jetta sedan TDI DSG, rear muffler delete
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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he211 wastegated with generic 8v vw t25 manifold,

I got thinking, I am going to want to do bigger turbo eventually anyway, why build a downpipe twice, buy injectors twice, and pay for a tune twice? Just go big from the start.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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dana wrote:he211 wastegated with generic 8v vw t25 manifold,

I got thinking, I am going to want to do bigger turbo eventually anyway, why build a downpipe twice, buy injectors twice, and pay for a tune twice? Just go big from the start.



Fucking brilliant sir.

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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i hope you're right! hopefully I can get enough out of the 10mm injection pump to make it worth it, and hopefully the stock TDI internals can play ball. If not......this addition will cost quite a lot more than anticipated. Oh well, in the end, i'll get it dialed in one way or the other.
I love experimenting, and this hasnt been done much on these engines.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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Just find an auto somewhere from someone who doesn't know and swipe the pump... You definitely don't have to spend $1k like everyone wants in classifieds
Matt

18 Silverado 1500 work pig, roof rack and tonneau cover
11 Jetta sedan TDI DSG, rear muffler delete
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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Did you get this new turbo from Emil?


chaloux wrote:Just find an auto somewhere from someone who doesn't know and swipe the pump... You definitely don't have to spend $1k like everyone wants in classifieds

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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ill keep my eye out for one. I did that once before and got one for $100 for my ALH wagon, problem was it had sat on a shelf for a couple years and WOULD NOT run the car at all. Sold it as a core for $200, so cant complain I guess.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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I think the 10mm will be fine, put some race 520's in it...I wasn't impressed with the spool on that turbo, from seeing video of it...gt2052 is a great wastegate turbo that has near stock spool and supports about 200whp. I'm a big fan of vnt turbos, I can't see not using one on a tdi, unless compound...

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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the turbo on Emil's car is a he221, the one i ordered is an he211, which is almost identical to a 2052.

Obviously VNT is better, but for less than just a vnt turbo i can get a manifold, turbo and nozzles. That sold it for me, plus holset..... :)

So steve, you think race 520 over something like pp764?
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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I loved the 764 I had in my alh bug with stock vnt15. Adjust iq for smoke/no smoke as you want. I'm cheap, they were on sale, and they were "too big" for the vnt15 so it worked for me.
Matt

18 Silverado 1500 work pig, roof rack and tonneau cover
11 Jetta sedan TDI DSG, rear muffler delete
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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seems like 764 would probably be fine, but maybe be about maxed out with this turbo? They are $100 cheaper than the race 520's I think, but then again, it would be nice to know i have enough injector. Bah, i dont know much about TDI tuning, obviously.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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I think 764's would be ok, but with the ahu 10mm, r520s would be better.

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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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holset! much excite.
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current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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Happy new year indeed!
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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started playing with turbo fitment. This is obviously going to set me back a bit because there will be a fair amount of fuckery involved in getting this to fit with my 90 20v airbox and piping. I am super excited though. Cool little turbo.

Obligatory turbo comparison shots, should be a beer bottle in there, but then you would realize how small they both are.

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this is why i cant have nice things
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test fit #1, looks workable. Going to have to clock the wastegate somehow since the outlet hits the manifold in factory configuration. Also the airbox will need trimming and obviously inlet and outlet piping re-worked. Just more excuse to play with tools, not problems.

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this reminds me of many years ago and another 90 I spent a lot of time with.
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pipes need some rework
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current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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k2exoman wrote:Happy new year indeed!

you know it! im ringing it in by putting the holset on and TDI 6 speed in!
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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How long do I have to wait for a MountainMan TDI conversion kit? haha
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|| 1992 80 quattro 20v /// Eventual AAN'd Winter Sled
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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PRY4SNO wrote:How long do I have to wait for a MountainMan TDI conversion kit? haha

available spring 2017, special discounts available for red pill forum members.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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somehow I broke a stud off in the head, must have overtorqued when I put the manifold on. Right angle drill, torch and easy outs to the rescue.
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mild brake upgrade. G60 brakes from a coupe quattro. Slightly bigger and dual piston calipers. Found the correct NOS brembo rotors with the right offset for the 90.
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sandblast, paint, repeat. It never ends.
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front suspension back from the crusty dead
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current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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Those are the same rotors I have. If you have the small bearing knuckles, you will still have to space the caliper back to center it on the rotor.
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1991 Audi Coupe Quattro (project: my first 20v)
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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20v 90 has the big bearing knuckles, which is nice. Brakes bolt on, b4 90 axles fit perfectly and offer a bolt on solution for the TDI 01e tripod inner joints and cv outer joints. No custom brake or axle fuckery required.
current:
-mk4 tdi wagon with some mods
-TDI b3 90q, holset turbo, be strong little connecting rods!
-the turbo tractor
past:
-11 second 90q junker
-20vt swapped 90q winter beater
-efi 20vt 4kq
-way too many other long gone urs's, 200's 4000's, b5's
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Re: 1.9 TDI into 90q

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Very nice! It's a PITA every time I need to take off my calipers due to making sure the damn spacers stay in place.
"If you can't find one, make one"

Dallastown, PA
1991 Audi 80 quattro (20vt project)
1991 Audi Coupe Quattro (project: my first 20v)
2007 Mitsubishi Raider(Dakota in disguise)
2019 Chevy Cruze RS hatch (wife's little red sporty car)
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