Shawn's thread: #LegalStatus

[vt10vt]

So I didn't have time to throw up pics yesterday but everything got a little slowed down because I also needed to clean the shop because I made quite a mess Friday night. Tell you what though, with the engine bay power washed/degreased, the motor clean and painted, and the floor mopped/scrubbed it's going to feel like working on a new project!

Cleaned but still disorganized, that's stuff to do while I'm baking parts:


I ended up having to leave it here because I was on my own at the shop again, which is alright because it gives me an abundance of room to work on the engine


Then, a couple hours, a ton of degreaser, a little wooden wire brush, two knuckles and about 4 pressure washings later:


I've never actually cleaned a bay like this in one of my cars and I must say this will now be the FIRST thing I do on every project




Then moved on to breaking down the engine and ancillaries for cleaning/paint/coating. On the K26, there is oil in the intake ports and in the downpipe, but not in the exhaust manifold. I thought when they went they just blew oil out the turbines? Mine seems to have been losing oil through both sides? Possible?

Offending turbo:


I think I'm going to stop short of taking apart the alternator to do the casing but anything on the motor that can, will be powdercoated because it's next to free. I'm going with a gray(ish) theme, the block is going to be about the same color as the valve cover and most everything will be some form of flat/semigloss/gloss black or gray/silver. Except the compressor housing on the new turbo, that's going to be a little loud This is where I stopped yesterday, overslept a little this AM but I'll get a few hours in the blaster in this evening. I would like to get the block in paint and most of the brackets blasted and prepped by Monday night but we shall see. Where I stopped yesterday:


As always, thank you for reading, knowing there's people following along is good inspiration to stay off my lazy butt

[vt10vt]

As this project toes the neurotic/obsessive line, it is coming along nicely! As usual I was a bit unrealistic with timeline goals, I felt a little sick sunday so didn't get anything done except on the clock stuff but I have made some serious headway since monday at least. Got the engine scraped, degreased/pressure washed, scraped again and in paint and most of the basic brackets and such that I wanted to do flat black done, although I had a little fun with the cam gear since you won't see it with the timing cover anyway. I am very happy with the results of the powder coating, the blasting part sucked though, I need to put the cabinet on cinder blocks or something to make it more comfortable, I'm almost at a 45* angle with my arms in the gloves hahah

Stripped:


Some things look better when they're not naked


Clean:


I thought it was going to be more gray, came out more blue/primer looking but I like it:






Then time to turn this pile:


Into these:







Unfortunately I didn't even think about taping the belt surface before baking the powder on so I'm going to try and take just the surface down with acetone and aircraft stripper first, if that doesn't work I'll just have dip the whole thing and recoat. Stupid mistake, finally noticed when I checked to see if it was melting



Then it was already late and I thought, 'I'll just put a motor mount on to see the color contrast.' I then mocked everything else up and left way too late.







Only problem is now the valve cover and oil pan kill it! I also ordered new front and rear main seals and that gasket for the front cast piece so all that will get done this weekend. What do you guys think of the paint scheme so far? Thinking the way it's going I might just repaint the car pearl, I really like the color of the bay now that you can actually see it... I'm taking tonight off for my sanity. Waiting on everything to put the motor back together, new turbo, and new motor mounts (DS was fried) and then heat shielding and wire wrapping/sealing products. Needed this paycheck to make it happen but I'm placing orders for hopefully all of it tomorrow and next week sanity will be at a premium No sleep 'till.. .. Carlisle! As always, thank you for reading everyone!

[pilihp2]

Lovin the progress man.
Question, ever figure out your turbo blown issues?
I have a lot of oil in my intake tract and I smoke quite a bit on mornings sometimes. I'm trying to figure out if the oil is from my old blown k24 or if its the current k26, and if the smoke is valve guides, or blown turbo....

[vt10vt]

Lovin the progress man.
Question, ever figure out your turbo blown issues?
I have a lot of oil in my intake tract and I smoke quite a bit on mornings sometimes. I'm trying to figure out if the oil is from my old blown k24 or if its the current k26, and if the smoke is valve guides, or blown turbo....

Thanks! I haven't gotten the turbine housing off or the wheels out but it looks like it's possible there's oil coming out from behind the wheel. I don't know how to check other than for play, maybe someone else can chime in?


The turbine outlet is pretty coated as well, more so than the flange side, so thinking this is probably my oiling problem. It still bothers me that there is very little play in the turbo, I would have thought to push this much oil (especially out of the exhaust like it was) it would be significant but it really doesn't seem too bad:

[vt10vt]

Lots of waiting on money but thanks to my sponsors Peanut Butter, Jelly, and Pasta, there will be progress! Some packages started showing up the last couple days. Heat shielding and wiring supplies from McMaster Carr and Energy Suspension mounts from Summit came in first:


Then needed to build a heat shield for the motor mount, air filter, and everything else on the passenger side frame rail so I made a cardboard template, traced it onto sheet metal and made two similar shields. They're sized to fit one another, sandwitching a piece of thermal insulation rated higher than it needs to be and for weather and such from McMaster. Of course, the inside shield got powder coated, I used engine paint on the turbo side but am probably going to need to step it up to header paint. Hopefully it will last longer than the 20v




Then lots more powdercoating. Oil pan, valve cover, intake manifold, fuel rail, rear flywheel cover and wastegate cap all done. Wastegate cap and intake manifold need to be redone methinks, cap might be okay but I dropped the intake manifold, tried to fix it and most of it was okay but ended up with poor coverage in a critical, visible spot on the front under the throttle body so I might just redo them both.






And...




Package of stuff including new front and rear main seals and cam seal came in today, putting the motor back together tomorrow evening and we'll see how far I get As always, thanks for reading. Well, mostly looking today, I made it easy on you this time

[vt10vt]

So, been a long morning, big update coming later on today but I couldn't help sharing this now:





Holset H1C center section and compressor, K26 #6 hotside... OEM oil lines

[Toph]

Nice work Shawn!

Did that turbo come from some sort of CAT equipment?

[loxxrider]

Is that the 46mm h1c? Those things are weird in stock form lol. Should be much better with k26 housing.

[vt10vt]

Nice work Shawn!

Did that turbo come from some sort of CAT equipment?

Thanks! I'm not sure what it came off, Loxx might have some input based on size. I went to goldfarb because they're only an hour ride from me and picked this up as a b-day/graduation present to myself. It's been in the works since around the time Ben picked his up.

Is that the 46mm h1c? Those things are weird in stock form lol. Should be much better with k26 housing.

I forget, I'll have to mesure again tomorrow. It was the smallest of the H1C's there, I mean they are all the same exhaust wheel (as I understand.. think the same as the HX-35 series asx well?) but this had the smallest cold side. The stock exhaust housing is fairly small as Holsets go, still looks to be a 12cm (or however it's written out), I'll measure that too but it looks significantly smaller than Dana's 9cm Hy35

I tried to take a 30min nap yesterday and accidentally slept for 5hrs so when I woke up at 1am I was like 'shoot, well not gonna be getting back to sleep... to the shop! Did new crank seals on both ends, cam seal, oil pump gaskets, oil pan and most of the other misc stuff like the coolant flanges and such, threw the motor back in for good (for now and barring any problems... *fingers crossed*) and messed with the holset and heat shielding. Then I banged out upper and lower ball joints on an '03 Liberty, worked another four hours and now I'm going out to a party so my 'need to feel accomplished' big update will have to wait 'till the 'morn! Thanks for reading guys!! It's great having you all following along

[40v4kq]

Nice progress. Im really interested to see how that turbo performs. You gona dyno it when its done?

[loxxrider]

Yep that is the smallest one as I suspected. I'mcurious as to why you wanted that one as it wwon't make nearly the power a big h1c will and will likely not spool too much faster with that big exhaust wheel regardless of the small housing. It will be interesting to see how it will perform though as I haven't seen that particular combo and my thoughts might not extrapolate into real life

[pilihp2]

Sweet! Get that sucker in the car and running.
Up soon on your list should be a new exhaust manifold to let that guy breathe.

[vt10vt]

Nice progress. Im really interested to see how that turbo performs. You gona dyno it when its done?

Thanks! And yeah I'm going to try after I get ignition set up in my megasquirt. I would love to get it on a dyno, there's one just a few minutes from my house but lame thing is they only run it a few days a year for so I'm probably going to try and get in with a suby group around baltimore/DC as it's unlikely I'll actually have funds to buy tuning time

Yep that is the smallest one as I suspected. I'mcurious as to why you wanted that one as it wwon't make nearly the power a big h1c will and will likely not spool too much faster with that big exhaust wheel regardless of the small housing. It will be interesting to see how it will perform though as I haven't seen that particular combo and my thoughts might not extrapolate into real life

Well, it was the cheapest too haha, $100 cash out the door. My thoughts were that the combination of the small hotside and the stock 20v exhaust manifold/head were going to be my limiting factors no matter which turbo I ran so might as well stay smaller and run more boost since that's where Holset's love to run anyway. I am nowhere near as knowledgeble about turbo sizing/matching/flowing/enginerring as some of you guys here, and seeing Ben's troubles I may abandon this entirely but we'll see.

Sweet! Get that sucker in the car and running.
Up soon on your list should be a new exhaust manifold to let that guy breathe.

I'm working on it! If/when I upgrade exhaust manifolds I'll probably switch to a T3 flange, just so much more available for them so much cheaper (namely Holsets and aftermarket housings).

[vt10vt]

So my all night affair got me a little further along but quite as far as I had hoped it would. The motor has now had every seal/gasket replaced and upon cleaning up my oil pan, I had it in the blasting cabinet and realized it actually had two pinholes in it I've had a decent oil leak for a while now and it never made any sense because the bottom of the pan would be oily but not the sides or anything. I replaced the drain plug and everything and problem persisted. My theory is the rust had already eaten through and was actually holding the majority of the oil in. So fixed that problem for good hopefully. Then it was on to the rest of the seals and everything! Rear main, Crank/oil pump, cam, oil pan gasket, coolant flanges, pump pickup etc etc.








Holset drilled/tapped for K26 oil feed. The inlet is close to being too big for the flange but there should be enough to seal.


SHINY PARTS


$26 in new hardware, I'm not replacing everything but am doing a lot of the visible stuff


Then I tossed the motor in yesterday around noon:


Took a 'break' to take gromit for a run and work on that liberty and then spent the early evening messing with the turbo. Got backplates figured out, just ground down some K26 ones. Got it all set, with the clocking it's at I'm going to need to modify the oil drain or clock it's flange on the turbo (which there is room to redrill). Lots of messing, not a lot of real progress after the jeep, but hey sometimes I guess that's how problems get fixed. I'm finding mocking stuff up and seeing it together before it's 'finished' is an important for motivation!




I think it's looking pretty good Can't wait to have this done and driving and, almost more importantly, at Carlisle! As always, thanks for reading guys!

[loxxrider]

Good work! Curious about one thing... how did you drill and tap the Holset without getting shavings in the center section? It could definitely do well at higher pressure ratios (boost). That is a decent theory depending on what the comp map looks like. Guess we'll find out!

[vt10vt]

Hopefully we'll find out this week! The holset actually has a flange so drilling through didn't go into the center section, just out the other side of the flange so I just plugged the oil inlet while I was drilling

[loxxrider]

Ah, I thought you tapped the actual oil feed part rather than the bolt holes.

[vt10vt]

Yeah, reverse actually haha the port was already tapped for, I'm assuming, some sort if NPT or similar so I can always go to that with custom lines if need be or the setup changes etc.

[loxxrider]

Yeah, reverse actually haha the port was already tapped for, I'm assuming, some sort if NPT or similar so I can always go to that with custom lines if need be or the setup changes etc.

Yep, that's what it is for. You can get adapters from that thread to -4 or -3 if needed in the future.

[rallyfreak202]

Shaw, just caught up on the last few pages of your thread. Good work all around! Keep it up. I'm glad that alternator I gave you was useful to you. Did you ever figure out what was causing the oil leak and smoke out the exhaust? What about the engine missing when it warmed up?

Keep up the great work!

[vt10vt]

This project is driving me loco. I'm officially sleep deprived and doing stupid shit. Just pulled the wheels off the holset and didn't mark them. So so stupid, and on top of that the reason I was pulling wheels is because it needs more machine work, which I'm not real happy about considering this was supposed to be 'pretty easy' and he had it almost a year. The seat in the turbine housing needs to be deepened because, although the perfect diameter, it isn't deep enough to catch the second lip that is the same diameter as the shield. So as you tighten down, the shield stays perfectly centered and the center section has an extra 1mm of slop to move around which is enough to make it impossible to get centered and the wheel binds up against the housing. This also means everything in relation is going to need to move towered the outlet .5-1mm. I might as well start over on a new hotside, and cost ways I might as well throw it all in the trash. UGH. Guess I'm going to abandon this for now. This project is consuming me. Well, guess it's turbo plan b time.

Thank you nick! I promise I'll get back to you a little later on when I'm in a better mood to talk cars haha

[loxxrider]

Fyi it doesn't really matter which way you put the wheels on as everything is zero balanced on holsets. You can just slap them together and go. That doesn't solve the housing issue but oh well. You should be able to get a big h1c for $125 - $150 at goldfarb with 12cm housing or an hy for similar money with 9 cm.

[vt10vt]

Fyi it doesn't really matter which way you put the wheels on as everything is zero balanced on holsets. You can just slap them together and go. That doesn't solve the housing issue but oh well. You should be able to get a big h1c for $125 - $150 at goldfarb with 12cm housing or an hy for similar money with 9 cm.

Really?! Oh man I feel so much better thank you chris!! And yeah I know, I think the housing will get fixed without additional charge, was thinking I'd have to shell out for a balance, shipping and downtime but if that's the case I'll drop this sucker in the mail tomorrow to go get fixed. Having a little one of those eff this BS evenings, thank you for helping it pass

[loxxrider]

Yeah, I know what those are like!

I rebuilt my HX52 which needed a new turbine wheel and shaft as it came damaged from Goldfarb (they sent a new one for free). There is no way to match something up that was never balanced together, so in it went. It ran flawlessly for the short time I had it. A member here has it now, and I am confident it will treat him well too because of the zero-balance. Don't you wish everything was made with the end user in mind?

[Hank]

I want to send a holset into my balance shop to see how far out they are. I guarantee they are no more out of balance than regular GT assemblies that are component balanced, then assembly balanced. Larger turbos that are only spinning 70-80k rpm can get away with slight imperfections, just like a 2.2L can get away with being out of balanced at 6000, but 12500 causes all sorts of havoc. Know anything about that Dramarider?

Balancing is relatively cheap at around 50$. If it makes bearings last 20% longer, it is worth it in a monetary sense.