Nick's 1991 200q Project - QUAT44RO

[ur20v]

Well, the "right tools" don't always have to mean professional grade - I have seen some awesome stuff done using off the shelf $5 hardware store stones! I've never had the need to attempt it myself, but just like most other things, I'm sure reasearch, patience and practice goes a long way.

Interesting platform you chose with the Probe! Growing up I was a big Ford fan thanks to my dad's choice of vehicles, and I seem to remember a turbo Probe GT from that generation, before the next/final generation having a 24 valve V6 in the GT. How well did the transaxle hold up to that power? I figure it was fortified Mazda stuff akin to the 323 GTX running gear (but fwd instead of awd), but even those gave up the ghost around 350 chp from what I remember...

[amd is the best]

Well, the "right tools" don't always have to mean professional grade - I have seen some awesome stuff done using off the shelf $5 hardware store stones! I've never had the need to attempt it myself, but just like most other things, I'm sure reasearch, patience and practice goes a long way.

Interesting platform you chose with the Probe! Growing up I was a big Ford fan thanks to my dad's choice of vehicles, and I seem to remember a turbo Probe GT from that generation, before the next/final generation having a 24 valve V6 in the GT. How well did the transaxle hold up to that power? I figure it was fortified Mazda stuff akin to the 323 GTX running gear (but fwd instead of awd), but even those gave up the ghost around 350 chp from what I remember...

I still may attempt polishing mine, but the transmission swap quickly took precedent.

As for the Probe. Yes, the 1st generation Probe GT (1989-1992) came factory turbocharged. A 12v 2.2l SOHC Mazda engine called the F2T. I may still hold the record fro highest horsepower on the stock engine (325whp 350wtq, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOhCF3wB ... w&index=81). This was with a Garrett T3/T4 50trim @ 30+ psi, lol. Not the most efficient engine, but fuck it. More boost!

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I then ended up blowing that turbo to pieces and thought I'd move on to a different platform. Well, that ended up not happening and I went a bit crazy with the build. The engine seen in the photo above never came to US. It's called the FE-DOHC. A 2.0 (86x86) twin cam non-turbo engine that I bolted a 35R to. Built a MegaSquirt and custom harness with direct coil on plug ignition and ran it! I never got a chance to dyno the most recent setup on the car but it trapped 114mph @ 13psi:

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I never had a problem with the transmission until the day I went to the track on my wrinkle walls. Set the launch control, 13psi dumped clutch and immediately blew the diff. Towed home:



I then got real serious and bought one of 12 LSD diffs ever made for the Mazda G-series transmission by a company in Australia:



A few more pics:





The car ran phenomenal. One cold night the boost spiked and I had damn near maxed out injectors and boom, melted a piston. That was the end of my Probe :(

Sorry to go off topic, but its nice to reminisce sometimes. This was my learning platform. Not sure I've ever shared it with you guys.

[loxxrider]

I knew you were into Probes and had a pretty badass one, but I never saw any vids of pics. Looks awesome!

[ur20v]

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Hey, aren't the flames supposed to come out the tailpipe between shifts?

[amd is the best]

I knew you were into Probes and had a pretty badass one, but I never saw any vids of pics. Looks awesome!

Thanks man! It was again a very different platform (like the T44). I enjoy sleepers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PAkO_YPx9c

Hey, aren't the flames supposed to come out the tailpipe between shifts?

External wastegate dump from my ricer days lol

[ur20v]

I figured, just teasing!

[amd is the best]

I know, lol.

More pics because why not!





















I still talk to the guy who I sold all the turbo parts/ECU/fueling/etc to and he actually met me at Carlisle last year. He plans to bring the Probe to visit us this year so whoever makes it to Carlisle can see what left of my old Probe.

[amd is the best]

K, back to Audi talk

I was speaking with a gentleman overseas today who has completed an 01E swap in his 200 and here is what he found to work as far as axles in his 200:

[Hank]

So which one did he use?

[amd is the best]

Audi 100 axle as the left axle and S6's left axle for the right.

That's what I gather from this image he sent to me. He doesn't speak english so it's tricky to communicate with him.

[Hank]

Yep, that looks just about right. Needs to be about 30mm shorter to work properly. On my URQ I retained the passenger axle just fine, and I would bet you would be fine too. It could use about 8mm longer, and I initially made a spacer that size, but I stopped using it 20k miles ago. Never had a problem.

[amd is the best]

I will still need a shorter shaft for the left though, right? There's not that much give in the CV's I'd bet.

[ur20v]

Oddly some of my resources say the 89-91 100q use the same axle L and R while others show a different part number for each and a 1 13/32" length difference. Get some further clarification if you can... by "small motor" is he referring to the 2.3 5cyl vs. the 2.8 v6?

[amd is the best]

Oddly some of my resources say the 89-91 100q use the same axle L and R while others show a different part number for each and a 1 13/32" length difference. Get some further clarification if you can... by "small motor" is he referring to the 2.3 5cyl vs. the 2.8 v6?

I was just looking myself. I'll have to see if I can get a translator or interpreter. Hell, I could even try my B5 axles. How close do you think they'd be?

[loxxrider]

Carrying over from the IMS product page for the spacers...

I was thinking I wouldn't need these if I went with custom axles. I'm not really sure if I'm going to want to go with custom axles for my car just yet though to help with budget. Hopefully they wont twist as long as I don't launch. I would love to be able to launch though! I guess it'd be worth having a set even if I went with customs just so I could have a way to put some spares in there in the event of a failure.

[Hank]

the 01e is wider, with the width being biased more to the drivers side. The passenger side is actually needing an 8mm longer shaft, but there is enough play in hte CV.

That said, you can't use the 200 axle becuase it is too long. You need an axle that is shorter. I misspoke earlier with the 30mm figure. The axle needs to be 30mm LONGER than the passenger side. I don't know the exact measurement compared to the oem driver.

Chris, torque is going to bust axles. It is the reason Marc snapped cups with a bi turbo v8 making around 500whp. He was making crazy torque. I have my doubts that an 800whp turbo can produce that torque on a 2.3L

[amd is the best]

Ok hank. Any ideas on what to source the shorter axle from?

[ur20v]

Actually, you may be on to something with the B5 S4 front axles. I say give it a shot.

Actually, driver side is about 10mm shorter than the S6 axle, and passenger side is 10mm longer...

But the passenger side B5 S4 axle is the same length as a passenger side '89-'91 100 fwd axle. Hmmm.

[loxxrider]

Agreed Hank, but impulse also breaks axles. Launch = impulse = broken axles! That said, I think I'll try out OEM axles first to keep budget in check for now.

I was there when he broke those. That was an ouchie, but I bet he'd have broken them with a high RPM launch with any engine. He did slam gears in that thing an awful lot. I (and Jessica) had a ton of fun riding along! Great memories

Here's to finding an axle-length solution!

[amd is the best]

Where are you finding these lengths? Mind sharing?

[Hank]

A bolt in axle would be cool, but one interesting thing to think about with the spacer concept and using 2 passenger axles...

Equal lenght axles do a lot for a fwd car to combat torque steer. We are AWD, but Audi's still act a lot like fwd's in a lot of conditions. Equal length helps it a bunch. Other freebie unplanned benefit from the spacer is that pulling the trans is a PITA with the axles in becuase they get in the way. With the spacer, you can pull it out and have 3/4" on both sides to slide the trans out. Makes quick work.

With the amount of 200s that have been parted, doesn't seem like it would be hard to come up on some passenger axles..

[amd is the best]

The 200 uses the same size axles left and right.

[Hank]

OH snap, we are making this really a lot harder than needs be. Didn't the later 100Q come with 01a? 01a and 01e share widths and placement. Same reason you can use CQ shafts with different cups when you do an 01e in a CQ. I believe all the big body cars came with 108mm shafts.. If they are in a type44, I bet they are the ticket.

[Hank]

You sure about that Nick?

[amd is the best]

You sure about that Nick?

Not that this is the greatest indication but napa lists left and right identical part numbers: http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Resul ... 002+502999

Etka doesn't mention left of right, like it does for other models: